Do You Filter Internet Access?

Bill Hutchison's picture

At the YWAM Centre I last worked at it was always an interesting conversation when it came to filtering the Internet. On one hand we are blocking the Internet, stopping people from free access and controlling them. On the other hand we are protecting them from all sorts of junk that is out there, and can possibly cause our brothers and sisters to stumble.

If you do decide to filter the Internet you also have the decision to make of what you filter. I heard of one centre recently that blocked all social network sites from their Internet during business hours, while other locations encourage their staff and students to be on social networking sites because it's a fantastic place to get people involved in YWAM.

So what are your views on filtering the Internet at your YWAM Centre? Do you do it, and if so, what do you filter and how?

Let us know in the comments below ...

Filtering Internet Access....

We do filter the internet at our YWAM Centre but we try to keep it to a minimum as we want to instill trust and deal with what we would consider inappropriate use of the internet with relationship and discipleship. The areas we filter out are porn, gambling and extreme violence. We also do some DNS filtering that blocks out many of the adverts (especially those that point towards Malware).

flyingkiwi's picture

Filtering Internet Access....

I have been using the opendns.com free service for a year now.
It helps some but will not keep techy people changing the DNS on their computer.

Kind of like locking your car.... keeps the honest people out :-)

But OpenDNS is quite configurable and gives you an ide of what is going on.

Blessings
Mike

Bill Hutchison's picture

OpenDNS

That would probably be my first choice, but like you said, it only really works for honest people, the geeks could easily get around it.

I think that the Internet is a place where discipleship can really come into play, especially in regards to the areas that we would be filtering out.

Steve's picture

Filtering

The Base here does filter Internet access. But our office is, due to space, not on Base property. In the office we don't filter the access. I personally prefer the not filtering route.
Instead I would prefer more emphasis on training and educating people about the Internet. While it's true that we can prevent other from stumbling with all the things you can find online. But they then still "can stumble" when sitting at home at their computers.

IMHO it's much better to educate people, if they want help them to set up a browser with advertisement blocker and if needed even more security features. As well as checking their general computer safety settings, spam settings for email client, etc.
Of course, that requires of us, as IT minded folks, that we know, at least to a minimum degree, how things are working in the most popular applications and obviously cross-platform. In other words, if we want to be educators we need to educate ourselves first.

My question to ask ourselves really would be, are we doing ourselves and others a favour if we block things. In a sense this is the easy route for us. If it's blocked we no longer need to care about things, incl accessing sites that we don't want people to visit during office hours, e.g. the above mentioned social networks. (I'm ignoring for a moment that there are often ways around it, for the technical minded people, anyways)
But just say we have filtered everything and do that job well and people are protected from any nasty stuff that is out there. This will not help anyone when at home or on outreach. Also not when someone moves on to another location where Internet might not be filtered.

In that case, I guess, we need to ask ourselves if we have failed our brothers and sisters.
To some this might sound like an outrages question to ask. But honestly, if people "want to stumble" there are always ways and plenty of opportunities. A filter in the office doesn't help.
But if the stumble because I haven't educated them I am just as guilty.

That is my opinion, anyways. I don't know if I'm on the right track with that. But this is how I see things.

--~~~~~
Cheers,
Steve

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Bill Hutchison's picture

I don't like filtering

Thank you Steve and Eagle.

I'm not a fan of filtering, but I do believe that it has it's place.

I have found filtering the Internet to be a real pain to administer, as someone else commented about on my Facebook page about this post. Like Steve said, it also doesn't actually change someone's heart, only their behaviour when they are hidden behind our firewall. Filtering isn't discipleship and although it might "protect" our brothers and sisters, it certainly doesn't help them to grow.

Although this would probably be frowned upon, but I prefer the "Big Brother" type approach of watching. Me and an accountability partner have a program called X3Watch, which is put out for free by the people at XXX Church, that monitors the sites that I visit, but doesn't actually filter the Internet. This I believe can lead to accountability and conversation, which can hopefully lead to personal growth.

We have also used this technique at the last YWAM centre that I worked at. We were using filtering as well as monitoring on our firewall and were able to track down and speak to someone who repeatedly hit filtered sites. I believe that being spoken to about it, and having accountability for it, helps people to grow and mature in this area so that not only their behaviour can be changed, but also their heart about it.

Like Steven said too, if someone knows what they are doing they can usually get around any filters that we put in place anyway ...

Steve's picture

Filter vs Monitoring software

From my understanding X3Watch is only monitoring and reporting on Internet porn? I admit I haven't followed the recent development of this software. But AFAIK it's checking on only that one topic? Also only for a single user?? Meaning, having a 2nd user account on your computer and you by-passed it already, if I'm not totally out of date here.
In other words it wouldn't help monitoring, let alone (time-based?) blocking, of other desired content/sites, e.g. Social Networks, pirating/password cracking sites, gaming platforms, torrents, etc.

I see the value of an app like that. But, unfortunately, I think it's more for a very specific and limited purpose. Also one of the easier solutions to by-pass.

Please don't get me wrong. The app is doing its job probably very well. But IMHO there is much more to be taken care of. Not even to mention the "disaster" in case of a virus infection that might interact with a monitored site. Providing you haven't already identified a virus infection you then after the report from that app know about it. But still, it puts you in to trouble first for a plausible explanation of what happened. At least you and the accountability partner need to be aware of a possibility of that.

OK. I might wear my "paranoid hat" right now. But in worst case scenario I could see apps like that do as much bad as they do good. And then still fall short on a broader Internet Filtering requirement.

So, having said all that, I don't wanna talk you out of that software. All I really want to say is that this isn't a very (for the lack of a better word) "restricting" solution. Restricting as in it's easy to by-pass and also limited in its options. That is to my last info of that particular app, at least.

To me personally this kinda software would be a very last option. And even then it might only work if my accountability partner can drop in at any given time and have a look at my computer, to see if I do anything with multiple user accounts. Then again, everyone who is aware of Linux could simply run a LiveCD and by-pass what ever kind of software is installed on the computer.
Maybe I'm too paranoid or have too much criminal energy. Well, or both... But I really don't see the point for a piece of software like this. What ever content it might block or filter.
If anything then it has to be done at Network Level. Which then works at least for that network. That is again minus the SysAdmins and the technical minded folks.

My point is that in probably close to all cases a software installed on a single computer is easily by-passed. With close to no effort.
That is why I (strongly) opt for educating friends.

--~~~~~
Cheers,
Steve

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Filtering is good and necessary

I agree that it's better to educate than to use filters, but with content being pushed via ads, misleading articles and so on, I find it useful to have some filtering, like Eagle mentioned before.

Also there's the case of liability, if you have a business internet account for you base and shares it with the residents and students, you may need to cover your back legally and put in place a strong T&C and some Deep Packet Inspection (DPI).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection

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